ÇaFleureBon Behind the Bottle: Interview with Maurice Roucel + Helmut Lang Eau de Cologne & Helmut Lang Eau de Parfum Draw

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Master Perfumer Maurice Roucel of Symrise

When I last met Master Perfumer Maurice Roucel of Symrise, (one of the greatest perfumers  in the world), it was January 11, 2011, and  his very last day in New York; he moved back to Paris January 12. To this day, our interview is my favorite. We danced the Tango. How many journalists can say they have danced with a Chevalier de l'Ordre des Arts et des Lettres?

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Maurice Roucel and Michelyn Camen, January 11, 2011 (1/1/11) Symrise New York

His candor, sense of humor and passion for perfumery has influenced me throughout the years. It was his statement that the industry needed "better briefs and creative direction", that was the impetus for me to begin the Creative Director in Perfumery Series. There were always two fragrances of the many hundreds he created that I wanted to learn more about…Helmut Lang Eau de Cologne and Eau de Parfum topped the list, especially when they relaunched in 2014.  Maurice has moved once again… to Brazil. It is an honor and great pleasure to “go behind the bottle” for my second interview with Maurice  Roucel and  to learn more about the creation of these great  fragrances.

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Helmut Lang Self Portrait via wikipedia 2007

 Michelyn Camen: When did you meet Helmut Lang. Did he have a very specific idea of what his first scent should smell like? How long did you work on the fragrance before it went to market in 2000?

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 Bed sheets image google and Helmut Lang Eau de Cologne 

 Maurice Roucel: I met him in 1998, in Paris. I was introduced by his friend and then 6 months later I met him in NY because there was an interest to create a specific perfume that he had in his mind. He wanted the scent of his lover's sweat …erotic, musk, skin. It took a year and half working, traveling and about ten revisions. Helmut Lang  was very involved  as a creative director. He had a clear vision; a good brief and he used his minimalist design and aesthetics for both the marketing and the bottle.

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Helmut Lang Eau de Parfum via helmutlang.com

How does Helmut Lang Eau de Cologne differ from the Eau de Parfum?

MR:  So basically it was subtle gender differentiation, I don't believe that there is gender differentiations in perfumes, that's all marketing and culture.   In the Middle East there is no bias like here the West. A Middle Eastern gentleman will wear a big rose scent, here in the West not. So to answer your question, Helmut Lang EDP is a bit more floral.  I used more orange flower, just slightly and more petigrain in the cologne.  Both are easily worn today by men and women but in 2000 very few people understood the concept of fragrance for all, as you call it “shared” perfume.

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Helmut Lang Eau de Cologne -via Helmutlang.com

Has the formula changed?

MR: No, not in any discernible way The Company changed hands a few times. P &G had the license until 2013 and the new company Fast Retailing (they own Theory and Helmut Lang)  is very respectful of the work. They own the Helmut Lang brand from fashion to perfume and they are vested in its success.  P &G was too cautious.  When I was in Paris and NY the perfumes were hard to find. So people would chase me (even on the street) to ask me where to buy and they want more. I was giving free samples just because it was so loved.  Even now, I hear it, where can  I buy the fragrances… People want more places to buy Helmut Lang because so many remember these scents.

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I walk in, I see You, I watch you, I wait for you, I tease you, I breathe you, I smell you on my skin -Helmut Lang

Something  perhaps our readers did not know about Helmut Lang  Eau de Cologne?

M.R. There sometimes is a misconception that Frederic Malle Musc Ravageur is my “musk” fragrance. This is not true; there is no musk in it at all, it is an animalic oriental.  Helmut Lang  Eau de Cologne is one of the muskiest perfumes on the market and is my musk masterpiece.

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via helmutlang.com

 Did you know that Helmut Lang Eau de Cologne and Eau de Parfum would become cult scents and so highly regarded 15 years ago?

 M.R. You never know if a fragrance will be successful or have a following.  It depends on many factors.   A good name, intelligent marketing, and of course the jus.  I wish that the larger companies wouldn’t give up so quickly on perfumes just because  they don't make money the first year;look at Thierry Mugler Angel. It took a few years to catch on in 1992.  Helmut  Lang Eau de Parfum  and Cologne are still loved  today,  I believe because of the quality of the scents themselves and that they are independent of fashion or mood of the day.   A fragrance won’t last if it is of the moment and trendy and as I said before it won’t last if it is only about making money. .

What is a good perfume, Maurice?

M.R.   A good perfume makes people smile and happy.  I know these are good perfumes.   They are sophisticated fragrances, they have class and most importantly they smell great.

Last words…

M.R.: To be a creator you have to be given flexibility. There are no boundaries, IFRA, availability of certain materials; these are all excuses for covering incompetency.

Michelyn Camen, Editor in Chief

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Thanks to the generosity of Helmut Lang Parfums we have a  reader's choice for a US registered  (you must be registered) of 100 ml Helmut Lang Eau de Cologne

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Helmut Lang Eau de Parfum. Please leave a comment with what you learned or enjoyed about my interview with Maurice Roucel and Helmut Lang Parfums, your choice of fragrance and if you have a message for him… because he will read this!  If you want your comment to count twice please Like CaFleureBon Behind the Bottle on FACEBOOK. Draw closes 8/23/2015

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24 comments

  • I am listening to Astor Piazzolla as I write this — and even on this bright, sunny afternoon it makes me think of a dimly lit bar in Buenos Aires! I agree about the gender marketing and that it’s basically silly. I wear many “masculines,” and any fragrance that most would deem too girly for a man to wear are those pervasive, teenager-y, sugary or”water” scents that I would never spray on myself anyway. That said, one of my first perfumes when I was just a kid was Jovan Musk, so I’d love to try the Eau de Cologne. My collection needs a stellar musk (and one that I can share with my beau, too!). Loved the interview and Monsieur Roucel, I hope you enjoy Brazil! Looking forward to find a place to sniff the Helmut Lang EDC. Thanks for the opportunity, and I live in the U.S.

  • fazalcheema says:

    I remember very well that original interview with Roucel in which he also talked about other perfumes such as SHalini and Hermes 24 Fabourg…I somehow personally related to what Roucel says about Helmut Lang musky creation here that it is a bit floral..i sprayed it on my friend and when he went outside, his friends thought he was wearing a women fragrance..

    I may not have mentioned it before but Helmut Lang Cuiron is my signature fragrance. I have original and new Cuiron, and original versions of Helmut Lang Cologne and EDP in my collection and would love to see how the new version compares. thanks for the wonderful draw.

    My choice will be Helmut Lang EDP . I am in the US.

    P.S. I am already a member of CaFleureBon Behind the Bottle Community on Facebook.

  • “A fragrance won’t last if it’s of the moment and trendy..and as I said before it won’t last if it is only about making money.”

    Amen! This is precisely why brands need creative directors with vision, passion and the complete understanding of why they exist! Bravo Monsieur Roucel, you are one of the greats – can we please work together?!

  • I think is awesome that the designer was so closely involved in the creation of this scent, which sounds lovely in both edt and edp. I’ve been looking for the perfect musk, and this may be it. I also think it’s awesome that Roucel was giving away free samples because people loved his perfume and could not find it! It’s so great when the passion is genuinely for spreading the love of perfume and not money. I’d absolutely love to try the EDP. I’m in the US abd have liked behind the bottle on Fb!

  • WoW A truly simpatico nose … lol. Along with the Lang, I love(d) Castelbajac (!!) and Dan Te Bras. I really enjoyed the Interview. I hope Messr. Roucel, takes the airs of Brazil and comes up with some real Beauties. Chapeau ! Messi. R.

  • I love reading these behind the bottle interviews. I appreciate the perfumers taking the time to let us all get to know a bit about them and a few unknown facts about a creation. I found it interesting that Mr. Roucel musk masterpiece is Helmut Lang Eau de Cologne . I am in the US and would love Eau de Cologne. Thank you Mr. Roucel for taking the time out to do this post with the EIC.

  • I throughly enjoyed reading about the comparison of formulas and how it hasn’t really changed despite restrictions and other constraints in terms of raw materials or company changes. As a perfume lover we all want that assurance. I love M. Roucel’s creations– I have musc ravageur and labdanum 18. I would love a bottle of helmut Lang cologne or edp— haven’t tried them yet! I wanted to thank him for creating such beautiful fragrances and whenever I wear them I feel cozy, warm and comfortable. It makes me feel good and has a very good effect on my mood. Thank you!

  • I enjoyed reading about Maurice Roucel’s persistence in keeping this fragrance on the market. It is very easy to only pay attention to the financial aspect of selling a product, but I appreciate when wise perfumers such as yourself know the powerful emotional impact fragrance has on the lives of your customers.
    I would love to try the Eau de Cologne and have liked Behind the Bottle on Facebook. I am in the US.

  • What a great interview! I loved Maurice Roucel’s quote about a good perfume.
    I live in the USA and my choice would be the Eau de Parfum. Thanks as ever for the draw! liked on fb

  • bunchofpants says:

    I so agree that the perceived “gender difference” in scents is all marketing. So often I find that “men’s” fragrances work very well on me–better than many “women’s” scents. I’m in the US, and I’m having a hard time deciding which I would love more … but I’ll say the Eau de Parfum.

  • Jennifer Witt says:

    I’m a huge fan of Helmut Lang. I’m So excited to be able to get the perfume again. What I liked about this interview was the insight into the business side of the perfume world. I Live in the US and if I were to win the draw I would choose the Parfum. Thanks for the opportunity!

  • I too did not know Musc Ravageur had no musk in it. I have not smelled a Helmut Lang fragrance and would very much like to win this Helmut Lang Eau de Cologne, “one of the muskiest perfumes on the market”. USA

  • I am pleased to learn the details of composition of these classic fragrances. I have come across a version which was neither Eau de Parfum, nor Eau de Cologne, it was simply Parfum. Is there any further info about that? It does smell similar. I’m in the U.S. and interested in the Cologne.

  • It is really great to see an interview with my favorite perfumer. I would probably faint if he read this but I am his biggest fan. I love Labdanum le labo and also guerlain linstant Magic but I think it is discontinued
    I love how Mr Roucel describes a good perfume as one that makes one happy
    I love to try the Helmut Lang Edc

  • I agree with gender difference in perfume becoming more and more meaningless as it should be. Just wear what you like. Mr. Roucel, your Iris Silver Mist is a personal favorite. I would try the Helmut Lange EdP for this GENEROUS draw. 🙂 US

  • I love that Michelyn danced the tango with Maurice! How I’d love to know how that came about!!! His remarks about gender and perfume are interesting (as is the whole interview, of course). I’ve never tried the Helmut Lang frags and I’d love to to. I’d prefer the EDP if I had the good fortune to win this generous draw. In the US. Cheers! Oh, and I like the Cafleurebon everything on FB! 🙂

  • The tango is envy-producing (in the best possible way). And Mr. Roucel’s candor about his work and the industry is refreshing and captivating. I think the only one of his scents I’ve experienced yet is Iris Silver Mist. It’s amazing, and I’m not saying that just because I’m partial to Iris. So just a big thank-you to him for that. If I won this amazing draw, I’d choose the EDP, just for the idea of the added orange flower.

  • What a great interview! The ending was particularly pithy – I’m in absolute agreement about this: ‘I wish that the larger companies wouldn’t give up so quickly on perfumes just because they don’t make money the first year’ and also thought Mr. Roucel’s comment on flexibility and boundaries is very interesting. It’s true, it’s still possible to make really great perfumes – I haven’t had the chance to try ether of the Helmut Lang fragrances mentioned (yet), but Musc Ravageur is certainly a great perfume – actually, my favourite (and I’m glad to have it confirmed for me that it isn’t a musk scent – I’ve been trying to explain that to others for ages!)

    My choice would be the EdC and I live in the US. Thanks for the is great opportunity!

  • I am so envious of your tango with M. Roucell! He is a perfumer whose name alone makes me want to try a scent, and I hope he will continue to create perfumes that smell great for years to come. I’m in the U S., nd my choice would be Helmut Lang Eau de Parfum.

  • This was an amazing read! I just adore M. Roucel. I found it fascinating that musc ravageur is not his musk masterpiece, and that Helmut Lang is the “muskiest.” I would love to win this! Thanks for the draw, I’m in the US. My choice is edp.

  • Chris mitsos says:

    They were never sold in Greece.
    I had to have a friend buy them in London and bring them to me.
    I had the edp and Cuiron.
    Both classics in my opinion.
    Cuiron is more difficult to wear it’s a wild butch leather winter scent.
    Women loved it.
    The edp which is my all time favourite fragrance could be worn any season any time of day. Men would compliment me.
    It’s the fragrance byredo wish they could make-but cannot.
    So happy the fragrance are back but now they cost almost three times more than what they used to.